Comments on: Something to bring me out of my hole… http://stevebragg.wordpress.com/2009/04/22/something-to-bring-me-out-of-my-hole/ don't just drive by, stop and have a cup of coffee with me Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:29:04 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: justin http://stevebragg.wordpress.com/2009/04/22/something-to-bring-me-out-of-my-hole/#comment-113 justin Fri, 01 May 2009 00:48:52 +0000 http://stevebragg.wordpress.com/?p=132#comment-113 no biggie dude. except now the discussion isn't so tense and i'm kind of a buzzkill. how bout this. a neutron walks into a bar and orders a beer, bartender pours it and slides it to him. neutron pulls out his wallet to pay, but the bartender holds up his hand and says "No charge!" nerd jokes, WORD no biggie dude. except now the discussion isn’t so tense and i’m kind of a buzzkill.

how bout this. a neutron walks into a bar and orders a beer, bartender pours it and slides it to him. neutron pulls out his wallet to pay, but the bartender holds up his hand and says “No charge!”

nerd jokes, WORD

]]> By: stevebragg http://stevebragg.wordpress.com/2009/04/22/something-to-bring-me-out-of-my-hole/#comment-112 stevebragg Fri, 01 May 2009 00:18:47 +0000 http://stevebragg.wordpress.com/?p=132#comment-112 hey, i made a mistake and didn't catch another comment made for this post. it's listed above by Justin Hall and buried in between some other things. That's my fault JW, and I apologize for the mistake. hey, i made a mistake and didn’t catch another comment made for this post. it’s listed above by Justin Hall and buried in between some other things.

That’s my fault JW, and I apologize for the mistake.

]]> By: stevebragg http://stevebragg.wordpress.com/2009/04/22/something-to-bring-me-out-of-my-hole/#comment-110 stevebragg Wed, 29 Apr 2009 13:09:33 +0000 http://stevebragg.wordpress.com/?p=132#comment-110 Why won't you just let me be me? So I like to make October self awareness month and part of self awareness is having a naked block party. What better way to get over the stigma of being one of America's hair-covered sons? As for running around with a pumpkin on my head while doing it? That's just a little bit weird. Why won’t you just let me be me? So I like to make October self awareness month and part of self awareness is having a naked block party. What better way to get over the stigma of being one of America’s hair-covered sons?

As for running around with a pumpkin on my head while doing it? That’s just a little bit weird.

]]> By: Eric Dunn http://stevebragg.wordpress.com/2009/04/22/something-to-bring-me-out-of-my-hole/#comment-109 Eric Dunn Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:19:02 +0000 http://stevebragg.wordpress.com/?p=132#comment-109 I was going to let the whole naked block party thing go--what is the story behind that? Is he involved in the Naked Pumokin Run they have in Colorado every year, where people run naked through the streets with pumpkins on their heads? Yes, that happens in the USA. I was going to let the whole naked block party thing go–what is the story behind that? Is he involved in the Naked Pumokin Run they have in Colorado every year, where people run naked through the streets with pumpkins on their heads? Yes, that happens in the USA.

]]> By: C Maxie http://stevebragg.wordpress.com/2009/04/22/something-to-bring-me-out-of-my-hole/#comment-108 C Maxie Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:01:42 +0000 http://stevebragg.wordpress.com/?p=132#comment-108 Eric, You brought up some interesting things about CGM. Recently, I went to a CGM presentation, Understanding Poverty. I believe they are doing it again, or something along those lines on May 23rd (please verify). I would highly recommend it to everyone (esp everyone engaged in this heated blog)! Courtney Eric,
You brought up some interesting things about CGM. Recently, I went to a CGM presentation, Understanding Poverty. I believe they are doing it again, or something along those lines on May 23rd (please verify). I would highly recommend it to everyone (esp everyone engaged in this heated blog)!

Courtney

]]> By: Sean Michael Murphy http://stevebragg.wordpress.com/2009/04/22/something-to-bring-me-out-of-my-hole/#comment-107 Sean Michael Murphy Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:15:59 +0000 http://stevebragg.wordpress.com/?p=132#comment-107 Eric, It seems like you danced right around my point. Steve likes to take off his clothes during block parties. This could start riots. You, of all people, should stand on my side and fight against this happening. Think of the children. Sean Eric,
It seems like you danced right around my point. Steve likes to take off his clothes during block parties. This could start riots. You, of all people, should stand on my side and fight against this happening. Think of the children.
Sean

]]> By: Eric Dunn http://stevebragg.wordpress.com/2009/04/22/something-to-bring-me-out-of-my-hole/#comment-106 Eric Dunn Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:38:35 +0000 http://stevebragg.wordpress.com/?p=132#comment-106 Steve, I was on staff at City Gospel Mission for two years after I stopped leading at Mt. Healthy. The stories I have from that period are two numerous to recount on this blog, but I will say that it changed the way I view homelessmess/poverty and helped put faces to a problem. Almost everyone I dealt with had either a substance abuse problem, mental health issue, or, surprisingly, a child support problem. Of course some had all three. I did feel safe during my time there because I knew almost everyone in the area, and I had the respect of most people, especially those who "ran things." The only time I did not feel safe was when I got caught in the middle of the riots (good story). However, I was also in my early twenties, single, and had nothing to lose. I am not sold on the Jesus argument to this topic because I am not sure how Jesus would respond to welfare, public housing, etc, but I do know that he would be in favor of helping those who are handicapped, including the mentally ill and drug/alcohol abusers. HOW we help them? I am not sure what He would say. I do not know anonymous, but I can understand where he is coming from. Once again, I will point to the city's actions against "those people" and ask again why they would systematically erradicate these issues from the city limits if everything was so postive. But I also understand what you are saying as well. We have to do something and put these developments somewhere. To be honest, I am glad these are not my decisions to make. Finally, I do not think this is a race issue, but I do think it is a class issue. I saw as many screwed up white folks in OTR as I did black, hispanic, etc. The problems that poverty tends to bring are color blind. I do not think these people want these issues, period, no matter how light or dark the skin of those that bring them to their neighborhood. Eric Steve,

I was on staff at City Gospel Mission for two years after I stopped leading at Mt. Healthy. The stories I have from that period are two numerous to recount on this blog, but I will say that it changed the way I view homelessmess/poverty and helped put faces to a problem. Almost everyone I dealt with had either a substance abuse problem, mental health issue, or, surprisingly, a child support problem. Of course some had all three.
I did feel safe during my time there because I knew almost everyone in the area, and I had the respect of most people, especially those who “ran things.” The only time I did not feel safe was when I got caught in the middle of the riots (good story). However, I was also in my early twenties, single, and had nothing to lose.
I am not sold on the Jesus argument to this topic because I am not sure how Jesus would respond to welfare, public housing, etc, but I do know that he would be in favor of helping those who are handicapped, including the mentally ill and drug/alcohol abusers. HOW we help them? I am not sure what He would say.
I do not know anonymous, but I can understand where he is coming from. Once again, I will point to the city’s actions against “those people” and ask again why they would systematically erradicate these issues from the city limits if everything was so postive. But I also understand what you are saying as well. We have to do something and put these developments somewhere. To be honest, I am glad these are not my decisions to make.
Finally, I do not think this is a race issue, but I do think it is a class issue. I saw as many screwed up white folks in OTR as I did black, hispanic, etc. The problems that poverty tends to bring are color blind. I do not think these people want these issues, period, no matter how light or dark the skin of those that bring them to their neighborhood.

Eric

]]> By: justin http://stevebragg.wordpress.com/2009/04/22/something-to-bring-me-out-of-my-hole/#comment-105 justin Mon, 27 Apr 2009 03:43:06 +0000 http://stevebragg.wordpress.com/?p=132#comment-105 seems like the anonymous dude has run into 'church' folks in the past that have talked a big game about loving and serving the less fortunate but haven't done much to back it up. that sucks. the reaction isn't too surprising to me. steve, you certainly aren't those folks, and this person doesn't know that. despite arguing on the internet being dumb, you actually are doing what you talk about, living out the things you say you care about, and that's fairly rare. come to think of it, you and dunner are the only two of my good friends that are followers of Jesus and that have gone and done work directly with the poor and homeless. i do want to touch on one point you made, "It makes me sad that people are more worried about their property values than their salvation." i feel like i'm seeing more of that attitude come out since the recession started. especially from people who are traditional 'church folks'. i wonder if those people are panicking because they're watching their 401k's evaporate, the housing market disappear, and they're reacting in self-interest, fearful that they won't be taken care of. an understandable human reaction, that's unworthy of someone who believes in a God that is supposed to provide for and take care of his children... sorry this got so serious. you said 'hole'. seems like the anonymous dude has run into ‘church’ folks in the past that have talked a big game about loving and serving the less fortunate but haven’t done much to back it up. that sucks. the reaction isn’t too surprising to me.

steve, you certainly aren’t those folks, and this person doesn’t know that. despite arguing on the internet being dumb, you actually are doing what you talk about, living out the things you say you care about, and that’s fairly rare. come to think of it, you and dunner are the only two of my good friends that are followers of Jesus and that have gone and done work directly with the poor and homeless.

i do want to touch on one point you made, “It makes me sad that people are more worried about their property values than their salvation.” i feel like i’m seeing more of that attitude come out since the recession started. especially from people who are traditional ‘church folks’. i wonder if those people are panicking because they’re watching their 401k’s evaporate, the housing market disappear, and they’re reacting in self-interest, fearful that they won’t be taken care of. an understandable human reaction, that’s unworthy of someone who believes in a God that is supposed to provide for and take care of his children…

sorry this got so serious. you said ‘hole’.

]]> By: stevebragg http://stevebragg.wordpress.com/2009/04/22/something-to-bring-me-out-of-my-hole/#comment-104 stevebragg Sat, 25 Apr 2009 14:00:24 +0000 http://stevebragg.wordpress.com/?p=132#comment-104 Nope. I would not fight you. I would just appreciate the courtesy of you showing up and saying to me. I live in a house that is 300 yards from prostitution, drug abuse, and gunshots that ring on a regular basis. I also live with a family that is raising two boys, 4-3 years of age respectfully, and have neighbors with kids. As for my own family, I am pretty secure in my feelings for our long term plans as it has been discussed at length. I don't wear a wwjd bracelet. And I didn't throw my Bible in your face. I'm just offering a level playing field so you know where my response and anger comes from. It's clear that you have no interest in engaging fruitfully in the discussion so this will be my last response to anything you write. Nope. I would not fight you. I would just appreciate the courtesy of you showing up and saying to me. I live in a house that is 300 yards from prostitution, drug abuse, and gunshots that ring on a regular basis. I also live with a family that is raising two boys, 4-3 years of age respectfully, and have neighbors with kids. As for my own family, I am pretty secure in my feelings for our long term plans as it has been discussed at length.

I don’t wear a wwjd bracelet. And I didn’t throw my Bible in your face. I’m just offering a level playing field so you know where my response and anger comes from. It’s clear that you have no interest in engaging fruitfully in the discussion so this will be my last response to anything you write.

]]> By: Anonymous http://stevebragg.wordpress.com/2009/04/22/something-to-bring-me-out-of-my-hole/#comment-103 Anonymous Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:52:19 +0000 http://stevebragg.wordpress.com/?p=132#comment-103 Show up at your door and say it to you directly? What, are you going to fight us if we do? That seems pretty biblical. You are the reason religious people annoy me. You never answered my question, but I assume you don't have a family. And you said you live in a low income neighborhood, but not section 8. So you have no first hand experience with any of this and you throw the bible in my face. Are you wearing your wwjd bracelet? You don't have to worry about looking out the front window and seeing your little girl playing ten feet from a drug deal. Or watching disgusting men try to pick up your wife because they think she's "working" when she takes the dog out for a walk. Keep sitting in your church and blogging about crap you know nothing about. Show up at your door and say it to you directly? What, are you going to fight us if we do? That seems pretty biblical.

You are the reason religious people annoy me. You never answered my question, but I assume you don’t have a family. And you said you live in a low income neighborhood, but not section 8.

So you have no first hand experience with any of this and you throw the bible in my face. Are you wearing your wwjd bracelet?

You don’t have to worry about looking out the front window and seeing your little girl playing ten feet from a drug deal. Or watching disgusting men try to pick up your wife because they think she’s “working” when she takes the dog out for a walk.

Keep sitting in your church and blogging about crap you know nothing about.

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